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Adoptables - what?

Journal Entry: Sat May 18, 2013, 3:11 AM


Can someone please explain to me what an 'adoptable' is?

Like: www.deviantart.com/art/III-Pok… and www.deviantart.com/art/Pokemon…

So... from what I understand you're paying for... the right to use the artist's design? So you 'own' that character? Like, $30 for the chance replicate someone's work? It's like a commission you never asked for.

ANOTHER thing is in the 'Rules' it often says 'Feel free to change the design once you've purchased them'. Um. Whut. So... basically... you're... drawing your own character from scratch. What the heck are you paying this person for then?

AND THIS: 'Character is completely yours after purchase BUT this art and character design is completely mine and so credits would be really appreciated if you plan on uploading it anywhere.'

WHUT. So... you still don't technically OWN the design, even after paying for it??? No, srsly, what am I missing hereee???

Please explain and also share your opinion on adoptables! Would you purchase an adoptable? Is it any different to purchasing an art print? Wtf is an adoptable anyways?

I'm not hating on the people who sell adoptables, I'm just a little confused!

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Before-I-Sleep Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I just don't understand these adoptables. ^^;
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WildLilLavenderChild Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
don't worry... I also feel the same... :iconimcryingsomuchplz: I just found out what adoptables are a few days ago...
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artiste-reveur Featured By Owner May 18, 2013   Traditional Artist
Thanks for asking...I've been kind of wondering the same thing...
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SavageFrog Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Basically it's a random character design (which is either a random character created randomly by an artist that they have no intention of using or a deliberately created character that is supposed to fit into a set theme like "food" or "seasons") that gets sold at a set price or via auction (a lot of people who sell these opt for auctions rather than set prices).

Some people view these as "easy money" since you don't have to deal with a commissioner who's giving details and you can pretty much do whatever you want although it's definitely the opposite on the "easy money part" since most adoptables pretty much sit around for months without being purchased (it's more embarrassing if you use a base line art since most of the time, it's a lot easier for another person to get the base & paint it themselves).

"Feel free to change the design once you've purchased them" is pretty much saying "hey, this really isn't worth much to me & I'm not proud of my work" but I can understand smaller adjustments like hairpins & hats - basically anything wearable that can be removed on the daily basis but changing hair/skin/eye color, hair in general, removing/adding wings, tails,etc. is a bit too much.

"Character is completely yours after purchase BUT this art and character design is completely mine and so credits would be really appreciated if you plan on uploading it anywhere." This mainly applies to people who are too lazy to draw the design once they have it so they simply upload the one they purchased (the one they didn't draw) although if you do have to place credits on one you drew yourself, it's a bit ridiculous.

Another big issue is selling old ocs or selling fandom based adoptables. Old Original Characters (ocs) already come with baggage attached; they pretty much already have established stories, names & additional info so attempting to sell them is not only harder but at the same time feels like you're throwing away part of your past. Selling fandom based adoptables on the other hand is highly questionable in terms of the law (first question would be is it even legal?) - you're selling someone the rights to draw a character of a pre-existing work that isn't even yours. It's one associated practice that I don't like watching since in some cases, people will recolor or make an extremely similar design to a pre-existing character & attempt to sell it (like a pikachu with green eyes).

I'm personally more interested in commissions instead of adoptables but I would also like to remind others that it goes far beyond linearts, some adoptable artists really do put effort into their works & actually attempt to come up with more unique designs (here's some of my favorites) :

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I would honestly have to compare buying an adoptable to buying a doll since you most likely didn't design the doll but you might keep it as a keepsake, name it & might play with it a bit.

(sorry for the long comment)
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wow those adoptables are awesome! But I still don't see why people would buy a character design. The doll was a good comparison, although perhaps a doll would mean more to me because it's something physical, whereas when purchasing an adoptable you're buying an idea from the artist. I guess I don't like the idea of buying something digital. I completely agree on the fanart adoptables front, very thin ice they're walking on there.
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SavageFrog Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I like those since they are quite unique (paying for something generic would be ridiculous)

Some people use the "it's for my story" excuse but if you wanna do that, it's easier to try & hire an artist to try to do the design based on your description.

Hmm...webkinz! They're like webkinz! XD

Too much
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FireWings26 Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Student General Artist
I appreciated the long comment. I as well have always been somewhat confused by adoptables. I always thought they were more like buying the character and you had complete rights to it and the image the original artist drew. But I believe that is wrong....If I understand you correctly, you are buying the rights to the "idea" but not the artwork itself?

Overall, it seems pretty useless to me. I would rather just buy a print if I can't have the original piece of artwork. It's what I liked in the first place anyways...
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Or just make up your own design! If you've got the ability to draw and create why buy another's design? There's no pride in that, to me. It's buying someone else's design so you can create your own OC, which then wouldn't really be an OC... Hehe!
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FireWings26 Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student General Artist
Exactly! And if you have an idea but can't draw it as you see fit, you could a) get help or b) get a commision. Many of the same people who I watch that have adoptables also have reasonable commision prices. And then you get the piece of artwork too.
I still don't get the appeal or point to them...Seems pretty useless to me.
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SavageFrog Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Pretty much - afterall, the picture is technically yours once you've purchased it but overall you're buying the idea of said design; the "rights" part is a bit laughable to be honest: it's like selling a car to someone & saying they can't do any repairs or repaint it even though ownership rights were transferred during the sale.

I still personally don't get the appeal entirely (I just have a few ideas about it) but I get where both sides come from (and I'd totally like things like keychains, t-shirts & prints)
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ha, the car thing is so true! This would never fly in RL.
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SavageFrog Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
XD Thanks & it's true
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FireWings26 Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Student General Artist
Haha. Or it's like you buy the car, but then have to completely make a replica yourself. :lmao:
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SavageFrog Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
that too XD
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Akili-Amethyst Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
From what I understand, it's basically art up for auction. You can do whatever you want with the piece once you've adopted it. You're claiming it as your own.
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Nekoxity Featured By Owner May 18, 2013   General Artist
From my understanding what you're buying is the idea and right to use it as you please... unless it says so otherwise... which is kinda stupid to buy it if you can't do what you want with it (aside from reselling the idea). The way I see it is that it's kind of like owning a company and then buying a logo from a graphic designer (at least in my opinion) to use for your company. Also, buying an adoptable/design/idea keeps people from saying you copied someone else's work or character. There's been adoptables that I really would have liked to have but if I were to draw it after seeing it then I would feel like I'm stealing someone's idea/character unless I "adopted" it.

Redesigning it in my opinion is small changes, like hair style/color or eye color and names. For the people who say the character design is completely theirs even after you buy it is just stupid. If someone buys an adoptable and decides not to change anything about the design that is their choice but the design is now that persons'. Though just out of courtesy the new owner might say that they didn't change any of the design. You can't sell something and it still be yours. Although saying the art is theirs I understand that cuz if you didn't create the artwork yourself it was still technically their work, but if you redraw it then yes the artwork is yours.

I have bought 1 adoptable but it was only with points. (I have yet to draw it myself :| =P) I don't think I'd buy one for actual money.. unless it was epic lol.
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
'like owning a company and then buying a logo from a graphic designer' - that's a very clear way of putting it! I suppose it confuses me because i would always create all my OCs from scratch. It wouldn't really feel like 'my' character if someone else had designed it!
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Nekoxity Featured By Owner May 20, 2013   General Artist
thanks ^_^ I thought that might be a good explanation :) I know what you mean, but for me the 1 that I have gotten isn't really a "main" OC of mine, more of a "oh I like this, I want to use it" lol
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electrifried Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
LOL omg when I first saw those adoptable sheets I was wondering the exact same thing. I find it so so that weird people actually pay for these. Most of the ones I see seem really half assed, like the people who do sheets of 9 with a base but just change the colour of an eye patch or something XD You gotta wonder if those ones are even that original to be paying for in the first place....
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So many of the half assed ones are going for like, $15!! That's crazy! Commenter Savagefrog posted some links to some really amazing adoptables, though I still wouldn't buy any!
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Rutana Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Student Writer
I'm not really a fan of adoptables either, because I prefer to design my own characters as well.

Basically, you "buy" the design for a character, which you can name and built a story around it to use it for RPing for example.
Every artist has his own rules though. There are the ones who're pretty open about it and allow the character to be completely yours (for example, allowing to change something about the design) - and there are artists who even go so far to name the character and create a story around it, leaving you less to work with, but you can still use the character.

Some people simply collect them, and buy adoptables because they think they're cute or just fit their taste. Others really use them for RPing etc, maybe because they just fell in love with the design or can't draw on their own, so they can't create a profile-pic themselves for example.
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Crida Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I understand it how ~Klipiec understands it. It's really stupid to sell a chacter and then say that the design still belongs to you. But I guess more stupid is the one buying the adoptables under those conditions. :lmao:

In general I think this is so dumb, this adoptables stuff. The only benefit you get from buying these is that you don't have to credit anybody, but I personally couldn't do that with a good conscience. I don't see the problem in drawing other people's characters and crediting them. There are other people's characters which I like, but I don't need to buy them to draw them or look at them and like them.
In my opinion that's a complete waste of money.
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Graphix-Goddess Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Professional Writer
Basically - someone draws a character, you buy it, you can use the DESIGN and the CHARACTER as your own, however, you don't own that painting as in - you can't re-sell it or the character. It's like having someone design a character for you , except it's already done. So you're consenting to buying someone elses design. Like most commissions, you don't own the painting or copyrights to it otherwise and cannot use it for profit or commercial use of any time.

Hope that helps.
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Jindalay Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I hadn't come across this before. But thanks for asking! I would have been confused too! Some of the other responses sound helpful, especially axeL-zeck and Klipiec.
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Klipiec Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
How I see it:
- 'Feel free to change the design once you've purchased them' - No, it doesn't mean that You draw Your oc form the scrath and the money is wasted. xDD It means that if there's sth You'd like to change in the design - You can do that. Like: You like the overall design, but this small ribbons look a bit silly, so You remove them freely. Or You change their colour. Or make the hair a bit longer/shorter... stuff like that. :)
- 'Character is completely yours after purchase BUT this art and character design is completely mine' - That I personally see as a bullshit. As I see it, the artwork DOES belong to the artist anyway - You can't really change the fact that it's them who drawn it, right? xD But on the design itself - NO. imho if You're an artist and You sell a design - then it is not Your design anymore. Now it belongs to the purchaser. But not all the artists have this specific fragment [I actually never saw sth like this], so my guess would be that You've just run on some greedy artist or one that doesn't even realise what s/he is selling. =.='
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Tohru-tan Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I have never understood it either for precisely the same reasons! LOL
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jamesdawsey Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
Seems like people trying to make money on an idea they created without actually understanding the laws of copyright, trademarks, or other intellectual property rights laws. I wouldn't bother with them.
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Heh, never intended to! I'm stingy enough with my money, and I like to think I have an imagination that functions well enough to create my own chibi doodles if need be!
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axeL-zeck Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I can explain but my english is not really good so excuse if I don't explain well.
So an adoptable is a design you make and you sell to someone so this person can give a name, write a story for the character... It's quite similar as a collaboration between a comic drawer and a comic writter but you draw before the story is written. As you sell the design then the new owner can make what he wants with it except making money with your design.
Hope I'm clear enough.
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're english is very good and you were very clear ^_^

Usually comic drawers and writers work alongside one another to create a design. I personally feel that if you can't even think up your own characters you probably shouldn't be writing, heh. But I suppose they might make a good starting point?
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axeL-zeck Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Thank you.

Yes you're right. A lot of writters have an idea of how they characters looks like but sometimes you can see a design that inspires you a story. I think this is how adoptables works. I never bought one and I think I wouldn't be able to make a story with OCs who aren't mine. But I can understand why some people buy adoptables.
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Klipiec Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yes, I'd agree with this. :) You actually made it very short and clear. ^^
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axeL-zeck Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
Thanks ^^
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small-worlds Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
I'm confused about that too, no one seems to know the right answer :)
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Hannah-Alexander Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe there isn't a right answer! Maybe it's just a way to make money!
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small-worlds Featured By Owner May 18, 2013
you could be right :D
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